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Would like a Pre-assembled model

MICHAEL YOUNG
 

How can I get a pre-assembled model? I have no experience with kits and don’t want to ruin it!

Re: Learning wid ECHO mode

Tom Parish
 

I'm going to chime in and say I've had similar observations regarding an additional form of reinforcement during the Echo mode. I had a similar experience of getting more and more OKs one after another but I didn't really know what the word or abbreviation was.  Some of the obvious ones like 'an' or 'the' etc etc .. I knew. 

So I second the motion of having something like this:

 " ...  have the OPTION to have the sent code text pop up on the screen so that you can see and hear the letter/words while trying to log the "OK"s."




On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 8:02 AM Greg - WB5GM <greg@...> wrote:
Juergen - I agree with your assessment of being able to send without being able to decode.  My suggestion to Willi would be to have the OPTION to have the sent code text pop up on the screen so that you can see and hear the letter/words while trying to log the "OK"s.

Greg



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Re: Learning wid ECHO mode

Greg - WB5GM
 

Juergen - I agree with your assessment of being able to send without being able to decode.  My suggestion to Willi would be to have the OPTION to have the sent code text pop up on the screen so that you can see and hear the letter/words while trying to log the "OK"s.

Greg

Echo Mode Split speed?

F5vjc
 

Hi Willi, very much enjoying my Morserino.
I'm practicing Echo Mode at 25WPM, about the limit of my accurate paddle sending, although I can copy at 35WPM.
I wonder if it would be practical to split the WPM speed between send and receive, eg receive at 35WPM but paddle sending at reduced, eg 25WPM?

73, Denis F5VJC

Re: Error Compiling Morserino

Willi, OE1WKL
 

Aug,

Not really sure what’s going on here. Try to comment out line 133 in the source - as th4 definition is the same in your version of the library, this should not be a problem.

73

Willi

Am 02.06.2019 um 19:55 schrieb August Treubig <atreubig@...>:

Willi,

Removing the libraries just removes the warning.  I t does not make any change in the conflict. 

Arduino: 1.8.9 (Linux), Board: "WiFi LoRa 32(V2), Disabled, default_8MB, 240MHz (WiFi/BT), QIO, 80MHz, 8MB (64Mb), 921600, None"

morse_3_v1.3:133:11: error: conflicting declaration 'const int Vext'
 const int Vext = 21;
           ^
In file included from /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/cores/esp32/Arduino.h:190:0,
                 from sketch/morse_3_v1.3.ino.cpp:1:
/home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/variants/wifi_lora_32_V2/pins_arduino.h:65:22: note: previous declaration as 'const uint8_t Vext'
 static const uint8_t Vext = 21;

                      ^
Multiple libraries were found for "WiFi.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/WiFi
 Not used: /home/atreubig/arduino-1.8.9/libraries/WiFi
exit status 1
conflicting declaration 'const int Vext'

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The package from Heltec has include a definition of Vext.  I have tried it with expressif package and the result is the same. 

I have chosen the WiFi LoRa 32(V2) as the board.  This includes file pins_arduino.h which has the declaration for Vext which conflicts with your declaration.

Aug
AG5AT

Learning wid ECHO mode

Juergen Wagner
 

Hello Willi and Morserino-Friends,
just minutes ago i made my "first lesson" in using the ECHO-mode. After some minutes i was in my "own mind mode", that means i was trying
to get "OK's" as often as possible; BUT i learned that i've to change something: I can vy often copy the heard sound and the "OK"-prompt, but
hvn't decoded - for example - the CW abbreveation in my mind. like repeating not known language words without knowing the meaning of that.
Think i've to do some other training for realy learning cw "decoding" by ear only at speeds around 20wpm or higher. 

For the moment 73 to all readers

Juergen

Re: Error Compiling Morserino

 

Willi,

Removing the libraries just removes the warning.  I t does not make any change in the conflict. 

Arduino: 1.8.9 (Linux), Board: "WiFi LoRa 32(V2), Disabled, default_8MB, 240MHz (WiFi/BT), QIO, 80MHz, 8MB (64Mb), 921600, None"

morse_3_v1.3:133:11: error: conflicting declaration 'const int Vext'
 const int Vext = 21;
           ^
In file included from /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/cores/esp32/Arduino.h:190:0,
                 from sketch/morse_3_v1.3.ino.cpp:1:
/home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/variants/wifi_lora_32_V2/pins_arduino.h:65:22: note: previous declaration as 'const uint8_t Vext'
 static const uint8_t Vext = 21;

                      ^
Multiple libraries were found for "WiFi.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/WiFi
 Not used: /home/atreubig/arduino-1.8.9/libraries/WiFi
exit status 1
conflicting declaration 'const int Vext'

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The package from Heltec has include a definition of Vext.  I have tried it with expressif package and the result is the same. 

I have chosen the WiFi LoRa 32(V2) as the board.  This includes file pins_arduino.h which has the declaration for Vext which conflicts with your declaration.

Aug
AG5AT

Re: Curtis B mode

Neno
 

Max and Sverre, thank you for your view and valuable resources you shared. I started with Labmic B , re-set CurtisB DahT% to zero and CurtisB DitT% to zero (as this was not defaulted). Koch Trainer , Echo Trainer , lesson 4 , speed 22 Wpm :-) .... gradually working with those 4 letters only. 

Re: Battery

Neno
 

I purchased my Tattu 600mAh 3.7V 30C 1S1P Lipo Battery Pack with Molex Plug (1 pcs/pack) battery from Genspow in Germany. 

It works perfectly, charging it trough Morserino. 

Neno , 9A3GNG

Re: Battery

Willi, OE1WKL
 

Hi Peter,

No, you don’t need a separate charger. It will be charged through the Morserino’s USB socket - just connect it to a 5V USB charger (any old phone charger will do), and make sure the Morserino is switched ON. It will charge the battery very slowly, with ca 100 mA.

73

Willi

Am 02.06.2019 um 19:25 schrieb Peter AA2VG <Petersdeluca@...>:

Hi. All good info but how does one charge the Tattu 600 ma 30C battery? Do I need a separate charger?
tnx
Peter
AA2VG

Re: Battery

 

Hi. All good info but how does one charge the Tattu 600 ma 30C battery? Do I need a separate charger?
tnx
Peter
AA2VG

Re: Curtis B mode

Max NG7M
 

I agree Sverre, at 60wpm sending is beyond my sending skills, I'm much more interested in copying by ear at QRQ speeds rather than sending.  Iambic A or B obviously is not applicable for a single lever paddle and isn't part of the equation.  I'm aware of the difference between A and B, it's simply related to the release timing and did or dah completion.

I learned on B and when a keyer is in A mode, its very difficult to send the iambic 7 characters.  I'm sure it's the same if you learned on A and try B out.  I don't think one is better than the other, but B is clearly the most common in my experience and is the default for most keyers.

I still think if one is just starting out that mode B makes the most sense, especially if you end up guest operating somewhere in a contest for example, which I have many, many times.

Max NG7M

Re: Curtis B mode

Sverre Holm
 

Hi Max, I would think that in the high speed championships, as in all serious competition, they choose whatever technique helps them to win. And that seems to be the single lever paddle, in which case mode A or mode B come out as exactly the same. I think it is the tolerance to small timing errors which makes the single level their choice. But the speed is in the 300 letters per minute range, ie 60 wpm, way beyond me and most others.

By the way, here is an interesting account of A vs B https://ag6qr.net/index.php/2017/01/06/iambic-a-or-b-or-does-it-matter/

sverre
LA3ZA

Re: Curtis B mode

Max NG7M
 

Hi Sverre, I don't think Iambic A is inferior, but over time it appears to be the most popular.  If you like how Iambic A works as far as the release timing when you squeeze and release as compared to Iambic B, I'm sure there is no disadvantage.  In my experience, Iambic B has been more popular and is usually the default for keyers.

You are right about high speed sending champions preferring single lever paddles in the competitions.  I'm not sure for the reason... maybe it's because they learned with a single lever paddle and have been working on their high speed sending skills for years that way... again, I'm not sure... maybe it's complete control where they won't need to rely on the timing of the release of Iambic keying?  For fills in contests when I'm usually sending between 32 and 38 wpm, I still prefer Iambic keying for the 7 letters in question.  As soon as you get up in the 40+ wpm range on sending, it's another level of timing that is tricky with a single or dual lever paddle!  I do like the flexibility of a dual lever paddle for guest operators too... they can key how they like and send as though it was a single lever and they don't even care or know what Iambic mode is set.  If they like to key Iambic, they are good to go too. 

Have fun either way... dual or single lever, Iambic or not. Max NG7M

Re: Curtis B mode

Sverre Holm
 

Nice video demonstrating the speed advantage of iambic keying. But I couldn’t find anything there that said why Iambic A should be inferior to Iambic B.

Interestingly, all the high speed champions prefer single paddle over iambic. Why? Because of its greater tolerance to errors in micro timing. I wrote about it here, as it has helped me send more error-free code also - http://la3za.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-advantage-of-single-lever-paddle.html

Try them all, and choose for yourself!

Sverre
LA3ZA

Re: Release Notes for new firmware?

Greg - WB5GM
 

Willi - I'm using Echo Trainer / File Player.  The file starts from the beginning each time I restart the Morserino.
My wishlist is that it pick up where I left off last time.

Re: Curtis B mode

Max NG7M
 

Hi, Curtis mode be or 'Iambic B' as it's more commonly referred to now is of course related to sending code with a paddle.  Iambic/Curtis B Mode has nothing to do with learning the code by ear... it's related to physical dual lever paddle sending only.  If you are learning to send code with a paddle, I would highly recommend learning to send using your keyer set to Iambic B mode or in the case of the Morserino, Curtis B.  However!  The defaults in the Morserino the last I checked are wrong to make it behave properly for Iambic B sending.  Make sure you set the two options to zero in your Morserino if you are sending in the Curtis B/Iambic B mode:

Set CurtisB DahT% to zero and CurtisB DitT% to zero in your Morserino Setup!  I made a post on this awhile back and suggested that zero/0 be the default for Curtis mode B on the Morserino.  I don't know if the default has been changed.

If you are going to learn how to send via a dual lever paddle and in particular, Iambic... there are 7 letters that are keyed using iambic / squeeze keying (watch my video below).  And in the last 25 years that I have been operating CW, most all keyers and transceivers with built in keyers will default to Iambic mode B when you change to Iambic.  B is the way to go and based on popular demand, Iambic B / Curtis B mode sending is the most popular... if you guest operate or use someone else's key, chances will be high that it's already set to the Iambic B mode.

I made a quick YouTube video a few years back that has been popular on YouTube to show Iambic B keying as compared to single lever keying.  If you are good sending via iambic squeeze keying on the 7 letters in question, you will have no trouble adjusting to a single level either.  And as you can see in the video, you can still key a paddle setup for Iambic keying as though it was a single lever paddle.  I you learn how to send using Iambic keying, you will just be that much more flexible in your operating.  For example, sending CQ is a breeze keying Iambic over single level... again, watch the video and you will see this demonstrated.

Have fun!  Max NG7M

Re: Curtis B mode

Willi, OE1WKL
 

Hi,
That’s actually a very good question! Unfortunately I am not really qualified to answer it competently.
I think that in the beginning it does not make a lot of difference. But it actually depends on which mode you WANT to learn. This could be determined by a radio you are using, if you want to use the built-in keyer (some radios only support Mode A, other only mode B, others again support both).
If you do not want to use built-in keyers, you are also free to use Ultimatic mode (usually not supported by any built-in keyers, but highly favored by a small minors of enthusiasts).

Maybe some people in the group here can elaborate depending on their experience…

73

Willi



Am 30.05.2019 um 11:58 schrieb grebo99@...:

hi Group!

question : can I start on the beginning to learn Morse by using Curtis B mode ? or shall there be any other mode used on the initial level of Koch echo method ? Thank you.  

Curtis B mode

Neno
 

hi Group!

question : can I start on the beginning to learn Morse by using Curtis B mode ? or shall there be any other mode used on the initial level of Koch echo method ? Thank you.  

Re: Error Compiling Morserino

Willi, OE1WKL
 

Aug,

From the error messages it seems that the compiler is not using the Heltec libraries, but others found on your machine… This seems to be the issue. Try to remove the ones that are „duplicates“ to the Heltec ones…

Hope this helps

Willi
OE1WKL


Am 27.05.2019 um 02:18 schrieb August Treubig <atreubig@...>:

Originally I had no errors compiling the code.  But I had to rebuild my Arduino environment after losing the drive my home directory was on (Linux).

Now after building it, I have to change or remove a variable that conflicts with some of the base libraries for Heltec-esp32
There is a conflict with the definition of the variable Vext.  If I change it's name or just remove the definition, it will compile.

See below.
Arduino: 1.8.9 (Linux), Board: "WiFi LoRa 32(V2), Disabled, default_8MB, 240MHz (WiFi/BT), QIO, 80MHz, 8MB (64Mb), 921600, None"

morse_3_v1.3:133:11: error: conflicting declaration 'const int Vext'
 const int Vext = 21;
           ^
In file included from /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/cores/esp32/Arduino.h:190:0,
                 from sketch/morse_3_v1.3.ino.cpp:1:
/home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/variants/wifi_lora_32_V2/pins_arduino.h:65:22: note: previous declaration as 'const uint8_t Vext'
 static const uint8_t Vext = 21;

                      ^
Multiple libraries were found for "SPI.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/SPI
 Not used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/SPI
Multiple libraries were found for "WiFi.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/WiFi
 Not used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/WiFi
 Not used: /home/atreubig/arduino-1.8.9/libraries/WiFi
Multiple libraries were found for "SPIFFS.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/SPIFFS
 Not used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/SPIFFS
Multiple libraries were found for "FS.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/FS
 Not used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/FS
Multiple libraries were found for "Wire.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/Wire
 Not used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/Wire
Multiple libraries were found for "Preferences.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/Preferences
 Not used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/Preferences
Multiple libraries were found for "WebServer.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/WebServer
 Not used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/WebServer
Multiple libraries were found for "ESPmDNS.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/ESPmDNS
Multiple libraries were found for "Update.h"
 Used: /home/atreubig/Arduino/libraries/Update
 Not used: /home/atreubig/.arduino15/packages/Heltec-esp32/hardware/esp32/0.0.2-rc1/libraries/Update
exit status 1
conflicting declaration 'const int Vext'

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Aug
AG5AT